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    The late Mike Vanderboegh had a lot to say about this. A deep stroll through the archives of http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/?m=1 is wise reading for anyone.

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      Thanks… I just took a look. I hadn’t read it before.

      Here’s one post based on email that Mike Vanderboegh wrote to a lefty writer in summer 2009, over a decade ago:

      We are, we must admit, two peoples sharing a common language, the same national border and not much else. You are seeing through a glass darkly when you perceive looming civil war. This much I will credit you. But you are foolish to demand that we put up or shut up, for I assure you, we WILL put up if forced to it. And, thus for the sake of preventing the civil war whose prospect you so irresponsibly invoke, it is THIS critical topic which must still be discussed.

      We are done being shoved back from the free exercise of our God-given, inalienable rights. It is you, not us, who are pushing, shoving, tempting, even demanding that this country descend into its third civil war. But it is we who are more ready to prosecute that war than you.

      And another, from 2015:

      So advocates of further citizen disarmament must ask themselves, how many of us – along with our families and other innocents – are they willing to see dead in the civil war that they start in order to accomplish their “benevolent” goal? And how many of their side are they willing to sacrifice in order to win the civil war they start?

      Mike seems to have been warning of this possibility for at least 10 years. How many people on the other side were paying attention? Any?

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        Mike V. wrote a novel about the switch from a cold civil war to a hot one. Not much is free in today’s world but Mike V.’s novel, called “Absolved,” is: https://billstclair.com/absolved/absolved.html

        Only problem is that it ends a little abruptly. Maybe he never quite finished it?

        Here’s the Author’s Note:

        “that makes Wolverines, and the entirety of my novel Absolved, a cautionary tale for those who aspire to be agents of an American Stazi. Put another way, if you ain’t one of those, Mr. LEO, you have nothing to worry about. But if those who are think that one of their own would not offer them up to an assassin’s bullet out of deeper held principle because he is a fellow LEO and thus wouldn’t “turn traitor,” I would suggest they read the real history of one Eamon “Ned” Broy.

        In the movie Michael Collins, Ned Broy is portrayed as having been killed by the Brits. He wasn’t. He survived the War for Irish Independence and the Irish Civil War that followed. In fact, although captured and threatened with execution, he outlived for a considerable number of years dozens of his fellow Royal Irish Constabulary G-men and British secret service agents whose names he gave to Michael Collins for disposal by the “Twelve Apostles” of “The Squad.”

        By all accounts, Broy even slept well at night, knowing it had all been done in the cause of Irish freedom. A cautionary tale indeed for any would-be American secret political policemen.– Mike Vanderboegh.”

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        I don’t agree with the Oath Keepers that a “hot Civil War” is likely. A hot Civil War means armies fighting armies, with hundreds of casualties, and probably more. You know, an actual war.

        Now, we may be entering a uniquely dangerous era of politics without necessarily being in a hot Civil War. We may even be entering a uniquely violent era of politics not seen since the last Civil War, especially given Antifa’s recent history.

        But that still doesn’t mean armed conflict between governments.

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          BTW I noticed that the left seems to be agreeing with the Oath Keepers. See, from a lefty academic:

          RE Civil War talk, zero doubt that people are willing to kill for Trump, and/or for the excuses be gives them. I doubt many have the tenacity to be willing to die for him. but thing is our system erases stochastic terror, immunizes authorities, and seem to take some killers alive

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          Also there’s this tweet a few hours ago from President Trump:

          As I learn more and more each day, I am coming to the conclusion that what is taking place is not an impeachment, it is a COUP, intended to take away the Power of the People, their VOTE, their Freedoms, their Second Amendment, Religion, Military, Border Wall, and their God-given rights as a Citizen of The United States of America!

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            This one, from Democrat Rep. Maxine Waters, isn’t helping:


            Impeachment is not good enough for Trump. He needs to be imprisoned & placed in solitary confinement. But for now, impeachment is the imperative.

            What, no call for a firing squad? Maxine has gone soft.